Curse

boko · Sep 05, 2006, 08:21 AM // 08:21

I've been playing GW for a long time now, but i'm not a farmer. So when I create a character I always have to play long time and repetitive play to try to get the skills for the characters again.

Most of the skills in tyria can be obtained free from quests. But if you create a core factions character, suddenly you find that you have to spend 1k for all those skills that you could get free from tyria. If you move you character to tyria, there is only a few skills you can get from quests.

With the coming of nightfall, the skills system will probably go the way of factions again where you have to pay for all your skills.

My suggestion is to make unlocked skills free. I think it's still ok to pay for skills you have never unlocked before and for Signet of Capture.

legion_rat · Sep 05, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

dont know about free but maybe cheaper. have locked and unlocked tabs setting prices at 1k for locked and 500 for unlocked.

~the "I got skills.....and now I'm broke" Rat~

Xenex Xclame · Sep 05, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06

The prices for skills in factions is the same as in phrophecies , they start at 50G and they go up from there to a limit of 1000G.

So no i disagree with this option,I agree it can get boring repeating those starter quests, but you start out new so you should have new skills, its annoying at the moment already with people in ascalon lvl 5 with elite skills and droks armor , no need to give them skills that are way too good for those lower levels.

Knightsaber Sith · Sep 05, 2006, 09:26 AM // 09:26

/notsigned

It makes no sense to change the pve skill system to resemble the pvp skill system. Just earn them like everybody else. This would also never happen in the wake of the pvp unlock packs. If all skills that are already unlocked are free, they wouldn't be pvp unlock packs anymore, they'd be "every skill for all your characters to do whatever you want with in all modes of play" packs.

Scavenger Rage · Sep 05, 2006, 03:16 PM // 15:16

/notsigned

luauelveneno · Sep 05, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

/notsigned it would take away allot of fun in the game also (IMHO)

freekedoutfish · Sep 05, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by boko

I've been playing GW for a long time now, but i'm not a farmer. So when I create a character I always have to play long time and repetitive play to try to get the skills for the characters again.

Most of the skills in tyria can be obtained free from quests. But if you create a core factions character, suddenly you find that you have to spend 1k for all those skills that you could get free from tyria. If you move you character to tyria, there is only a few skills you can get from quests.

With the coming of nightfall, the skills system will probably go the way of factions again where you have to pay for all your skills.

My suggestion is to make unlocked skills free. I think it's still ok to pay for skills you have never unlocked before and for Signet of Capture.

I certainly wouldnt suggest free. That would take away the fun of actually achieving skills and it would be far too easy because getting skill points is easy enough.

Cheaper maybe. But i still think 1k should be the max amount, but it should take longer to move to the max cost.

logan90 · Sep 05, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

/notsigned Skills are 1k for a reason.

Phoenix Arrows · Sep 05, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

He means that in Factions there aren't many skill quests so you have to spend a lot of money for skills. When this happens, only buy skills you really need.

/notsigned. That's what PvP chars are for.

Phoenix Arrows · Sep 05, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24

He means that in Factions there aren't many skill quests so you have to spend a lot of money for skills. When this happens, only buy skills you really need.

/notsigned. That's what PvP chars are for.

lyra_song · Sep 05, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Its been suggested before that you should be able to use items like imperial credits and such to buy skills and i think thats the best way to do it.

actionjack · Sep 05, 2006, 05:04 PM // 17:04

I forgot.. but don't Faction quest reward you with gold to let you have more freedom in buying the skill you want? I think they change to like that since Faction is expansion, and it is a better way for those who already have Prophices's skill to not repeat.

Actually, I want to see new item call Skill Token, which allow you to unlock one skill form a trainer for free. Could have that as a quest reward. Also more ways of getting that item which allow you to get 1 skill point (forgot what it is call).

Caboose117 · Sep 05, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Exactly what AJ said, you get 150 gold on average from quests from KC and on. All the Faction Quests give you 150 gold. Getting money is not hard at all, if you spend one day in the FoW you can buy plenty of skills. I understand what you mean because skill quests are more fun than farming for skills, but it was perfectly ballanced in Factions with the high XP and money from each quest. And when you finish a mission you get like 3 skill points and a decent amount of cash on masters.

Kool Pajamas · Sep 05, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

Decent cash on masters? o_O You get 100g for standard, 150g for expert, and 200g for masters. Thats 450g total. Thats bad. Mission rewards should give you much more. You should be rewarded for going through the storyline. Farming is so boring.

BrotherGilburt · Sep 05, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

Decent cash on masters? o_O You get 100g for standard, 150g for expert, and 200g for masters. Thats 450g total. Thats bad. Mission rewards should give you much more. You should be rewarded for going through the storyline. Farming is so boring.

Its not bad. Mixed with quests and drops you make enough money in the factions campaign to buy skills. Also most boss's drop greens so you may get a green along the way. And at the very end you can sell the amulet of the mists.

In prophecies you do have to farm. But there's Sorrows and Tombs there. Or if you don't want to group farm you can always solo farm. Its not hard and is cheaper than ever to start. Or you can solo outside of Gates to Kryta. Its not the best money, but you still get gold fairly fast, and if your doing it with a low level char you can even get him leveled.

If you don't want to buy skills make a PvP char.

/notsigned

Brother Gilburt

Sli Ander · Sep 05, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

I liked earning the skills through quests(basic skills) and buying higher end skills/capsigs later on in Tyria. The Factions way makes sense for a tyrian character(don't want to have to repeat quests to get a new basic skill). Why didn't they do this for factions as well? Other than a gold sink(and they give you some of the gold), all it does is send you to the skill trainer with money instead of getting it directly from the quest. And tyrians can just buy them in the higher end areas anyway. If someone could enlighten me please, as I've not taken a canthan character through yet.

on topic: /notsigned I don't farm, yet money hasn't been a concern for me in buying skills. But then I haven't started a factions character. Maybe its different from that angle.

Matsumi · Sep 05, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Thing I don't like about it is, well, here's an example of what I did that drove me into being broke now.

Started a Tyrian warrior a long time ago, but got bored and deleted it after capping all the elites and having all the tyrian skills. Later on, when factions was out I re-created the warrior, but made it in factions. Didn't have hardly as many skills as my warrior in tyria started out with, and got through quests, nor could I go back to tyria and do the skill quests, because they aren't available I guess. In Tyria they started you off with more stances and defensive skills, along with some pretty good offensive skills it seemed like (correct me if I'm wrong). Hardly compares to starting a warrior in tyria, plus, all the skills seem to go up in price the higher your level gets. So, after all the armor purchases and runes, skill purchases, etcetera, I'm now broke constantly until my character gets all the skills needed. Every time I get 1k, I think about another skill I could use or need instead of saving it. Thank god I had some weapons sitting in my storage when I re-created my warrior, or I would really be sol. Kind of makes me not want to start anymore factions characters unless I farm for a month before hand. I wish I was able to go back to tyria and do the skill quests there, then come back. This is the most expensive character I've made so far it seems like.

I like the skill tokens idea, much better. Also, the skills for quests in tyria was a great system, why would they want to get rid of that?

Anyway, I don't really think the skills should be free, but I just want a different way of obtaining most of them, then buying the rest or capping, kind of like tyria.

actionjack · Sep 06, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

I agree with making the skills you already unlocked cheap for your other characters... like 500g or so.

I do hope to see more skill related quests like those in the Pre-sear. They are really fun. Where first they give you a tempary skills, than a quest that make you use those skills. (like they could give you Storm Chaser, and with the quest of making you run pass a large group of elm mob..and such) It really help you learn to use that skill.. and make it seem all more useful. Of couse, those quest do need to take extra creative thinking from the Dev than the usual fed-ex quests.

(oh, another issue to consider about is the skill points. With skill-reward quest, you get an extra skill not only free of gold, but also skill points, which helps since in the later level, getting more skill points is a grind.)

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Of couse.. in speaking of the skills... SKILL GEMS FTW!!!!!

Loviatar · Sep 06, 2006, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matsumi

Every time I get 1k, I think about another skill I could use or need instead of saving it. .

that is YOUR problen not anything wrong with the game.

you didnt say i NEED this skill so i will earn the 1k to get it.

it is a case of i have 1k so how fast can i find something to spend it on.

funny...........you didnt need.............whatever it was until you had 1k to blow it on instead of saving it for something you might really need later

tONYY · Sep 06, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Good thing i bought all primary skills in Prophices for my E/ W/ Mo/ N/ Me/ and R/ before the Sorrows Furnace update.